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open Creating a new Sub Category for Comics? Print Comic
Asking here cause I'm not sure where it should be suggested on the site.
I think there needs to be a new category for graphic novels as their own sort of genre index under the main Comic Books — as there's been a lot of them listed on the site, such as stand alone and/or middle grade style graphic novels. Where would I make this suggestion? Or is it something I run through TLP since it would be a main akin to Film Comic?
Edited by Nethiliaresolved Apostrophe Adding Print Comic
I'm trying to have my comic series page, X's Omnibus, have an apostrophe on its name, but every time I try to add one, it takes me to a whole new page that says I cannot edit it (presumably due to the title having an apostrophe). Is there any way I can fix this?
resolved Hourman Print Comic
I'm looking to expand the comic book run page for the original 1999 run of Hourman (along with some information on the other Hourman in the synopsis section ala ComicBook.Batgirl and ComicBook.Teen Titans). I'd like to request it for it to be recovered/undeleted so that I may be able to give it a rehaul (as well as cull any Characterization Tropes included on the page which led to the page's deletion in the first page).
Edited by ElioHerondaleresolved Requesting mod reverts due to inaccessability to previous page versions Print Comic
I'd like to request a revertion to Characters.Teen Titans and it's affiliated subpages from it's initial mod revert in order to a: be able to recover the lost edits that were rollbacked since this website doesn't have any way to be able to see previous versions of a page like those that run on Wiki Media do and b: to be able to add in the addended Character Index that excludes Red Links which was what the original mod revert was based on.
[[WMG:[[center: [-Teen Titans Main Character Index Heroes Original Teen Titans and Titans West (Dick Grayson | Wally West | Donna Troy | Roy Harper) The New Teen Titans (Beast Boy | Starfire | Raven) | Arsenal's Titans | 1996 Teen Titans 2003 Teen Titans (Tim Drake | Conner Kent | Cassie Sandsmark | Mia Dearden) | Ancillary Titans Post-Flashpoint Teen Titans | DC Rebirth Teen Titans | Teen Titans Academy students Supporting Cast Enemies Deathstroke | Cheshire-]]]]]
openTearJerker.Mutts query Print Comic
TearJerker.Mutts has had some odd edits, with WandaBaby1990 adding an example for the Guard Dog story, then deleting it with a 'see below' edit in a later post which leads to nothing. I thought it had been deleted by accident, so I restored the deleted entry and also added context for the conclusion of the story, which is both heartbreaking and sweet, but they recently deleted the conclusion entry.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Mutts&page=1
open Edit war in Characters.TeenTitans and subpages Print Comic
Elio Herondale has been adding red links to Characters.Teen Titans and its subpages for character-specific pages — Characters.Teen Titans Lilith Clay, Characters.Teen Titans Mal Duncan, et cetera — since Jan 9th 2024 (as far as I know). On Feb 1st 2024 I deleted those red links, since all the characters for whom those red links were created have profiles in other pages — for example, Characters.Teen Titans Original Teen Titans for those two red links. ElioHerondale re-added those links that same day.
I left the matter alone until today, when I messaged them about their reasoning for creating character-specific pages for very short profiles, but they seem hostile and uninterested in discussing the matter. I can accept being in the wrong in this case, but since Elio Herondale added and then re-added those links, I think I should have reported this as an edit war much sooner.
(As an aside, is there a specific forum for reporting edit wars?)
resolved Edit War: Characters/Deathstroke Print Comic
First a brief background on the characters involved to give a better understanding of the situation:
Rose Wilson joined the Titans alongside Bart Allen in New Titans. However, she did not stay long on the team, instead becoming the nanny of Roy Harper's daughter in Titans (1999).
A bunch of things happened, she was drugged into serving Deathstroke who forced her to betray the Titans, got freed from his control and then rejoined the Titans during One Year Later, where she didn't have a good relationship with most of her teammates (Bart was not among them) except Kid Devil and later on Blue Beetle. She later quite the team, after some time rejoined for a few days before quitting again (Kid Devil died some time later and has not reappeared in comics since then) until the last incarnation of the team before Flashpoint where she was on good terms with almost everyone, including Bart.
Now the situation:
On July 18th 2023, I restructured the example "The Friend Nobody Likes" in the folder "Rose Wilson (Ravager)" to make it easier to read. Of course, I did not delete the content, just restructured the text and added to it. Among the text that was already there and which I merely restructured was the line "The only friend she had on the team was Kid Devil / Red Devil (Eddie Bloomberg)" which I restructured into the following sub point: "Defied with Kid Devil / Red Devil (Eddie Bloomberg) who, for a long time, was the only friend she had on the team." (again, the content remained the same).
On Februar, 9th 2024, the User Elio Herondale replaced "Kid Devil / Red Devil (Eddie Bloomberg)" with "Bart Allen" (without adding an additional point for Kid Devil, I might add) without giving a reason for the change.
On February 20th, I added some examples to the page. While doing so, I discovered the edit and reverted it citing Roses and Kid Devils explicit friendship compared to the lack of interactions Rose and Bart had until the last incarnation of the Teen Titans as reason. Afterwards, I messaged Elio Herondale (which, in hindsight, I definitely should have done to clear things up before reverting their edit, a mistake I now acknowledge and won't do again) asking why they replaced Kid Devil with Bart. Admittedly, at that moment, I had forgotten that Rose and Bart had met before the last incarnation of the Teen Titans. As such, in their reply the following day, they reminded me of that and then proceeded to replace Kid Devil with Bart again, further adding the line "since she first joined the Post-Zero Hour incarnation of New Titans." but again without citing a reason why they excluded Kid Devil.
I then replied in two messages:
In the first on February 21st, I conceded that the two did technically know each longer but counter-argued that they had barely interacted during that time while Eddie and Rose had a genuine, on-panel friendship during her time on the Teen Titans, the time frame the example referred to, asking once more why the replaced Kid Devil with Bart.
In the second message later that day, I proposed a compromise to end the Edit War: I would not touch their changes but merely add the following line "as well as Kid Devil / Red Devil (Eddie Bloomberg) who was her only friend during her time on the Teen Titans in Teen Titans Vol. 3 during and directly following the Time Skip of One Year Later.". This way, I hoped to settle the Edit War with a result both of us should theoretically be able to live with while also still having the entry be factually accurate.
They did not respond to either of my messages since then despite having been online multiple times, as shown by their numerous edits.
Recently, the mod revert reset the situation back to what it was before their edit.
Please note that my problem with their edit is not so much the addition of Bart Allen (since they've known each other for longer and never had any on-panel bad blood, I guess you could technically see it as somewhat of a friendship despite the lack of interactions reminiscent of a friendship between the two until the last incarnation of the Teen Titans) but rather the exclusion of Kid Devil, whose close friendship to Rose is backed up by both the source material (Teen Titans Vol. 3 #34 - #60, #70 - #71) as well as various sites on the internet, including DC's official wiki DCDatabase.
Since I've never been involved in an Edit War (and hope I'll never be again), I don't know how to proceed. Therefore, I am now asking you, the community at large, on what to do next:
Should I go through with the change I proposed or add another subpoint containing it on the risk they may just delete it without giving a reason? Or is there another option I do not know about?Or am I the one in the wrong in this Edit War and owe them an apology? I was hoping to handle this situation reasonably, though I do acknowledge that I made a mistake deleting their edit before messaging them. But if any of my other actions were also unreasonable, I welcome any and all constructive criticism.
If requested/required, I can, of course, provide screenshots of the messages.
Thank you for your input and have a great day.
Edited by McMagmaopenQuestion regarding a work I’m creating a page for Print Comic
So, something is revealed at the end of the first issue of a comic book. This is important for the rest of the comic and you cannot explain the plot of a single issue without spoiling this very minor twist that is already pretty much part of the basic premise. Should I put spoilers on every mention of this reveal?
openJay Garrick: The Flash Print Comic
For some reason, edits to Jay Garrick: The Flash aren't being reflected on my "Followed Pages" list, even though I'm following the page and even though I just made an edit to the page a few minutes ago. In theory, it should be at the top of my "Followed Pages" list, but it's on the second page, and according to the list, its most recent edit was November 23rd. I've checked the work page itself and the its edit history, and those are both up-to-date. Is this a known bug?
resolved Where To Ask if Something Qualifies For Applicability Print Comic
I feel like the themes of Superman Smashes the Klan qualify for the Applicability trope, but I do not wish to jump the gun and add something solely based on my opinion. Is there somewhere I can go to discuss this?
openGrace Choi Print Comic
Been working on splitting off the 2003 Outsiders series to its own page, and when I was setting up the redirect for the character sheet, I noticed that Grace Choi's tropes are listed on the Black Lightning character sheet instead of the Outsiders one. Why is that? To my knowledge, she's only ever been affiliated with the Outsiders.
resolvedEdit War: VirtuousCharacterCopy Print Comic
Hey guys I don’t like to complain about certain examples I add being deleted or changed but The Mountain King deleted my example of V from V for Vendetta being a Virtuous Character Copy claiming their connection is weak. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.VirtuousCharacterCopy
I strongly disagree given there’s many similarities to Joker and V when it comes to anarchism and pantomime imagery. With the Alan Moore connection just being the icing on the cake.
What should I do? I already messaged them to argue otherwise but I’d liked to get other opinions. If other people agree with the deletion then I’ll accept defeat.
Edited by Yellow20openTroper changed formatting for no reason Print Comic
On Inferno Girl Red, Tropers/Sidapa changed the formatting from "[Codename] ([Real Name])" to "[Codename]/[Real Name] for no reason (as well as spoiler tagging a title). All the other Massive-Verse character pages still use the first format, and in my opinion it just makes perfectly clear what a person's codename and real name are. I messaged them about changing it back, since there was no reason to change the format on IGR's page, but they never responded. I did a quick search on here and only just learned that they are suspended from P Ms.
Is it okay for me to change it back to the previous format without getting into an edit war?
openWrong Page Image Print Comic
Gate Star X went and added a page image for The Vigilant that is from an entirely different series. Can I just go ahead and replace it with an image from the correct series, or do I have to go through the whole Image-Picking Thread first?
Edited by StrixObscuroopenHow to format numbered bullets to not start over under a new header? Print Comic
Example: I have Sandbox.Bo Boi Boy Galaxy Season 2 in the (gradual) works, I'm considering listing the issues/episodes under either arcs or volumes, as listed at the bottom of the sandbox.
The issue is that when I place a header between two episode titles, the bullet numbers start over, when I'd like for them to still list from 1 to 27.
Is there a formatting trick to make this possible?
Edited by BlackFaithStaropenShould the IDW Transformers Character Pages be reorganized? Print Comic
The The Transformers (IDW) entry is one of the longest running comic entries in the franchise, and many of the titles under it have been given pages. Several of those works have also been given character pages, and those pages have been given sub-pages. Most of the main ones have been documented on the "Hasbro Comic Universe" character page, but their sub-pages haven't. The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye for instance has 11 subpages, while The Transformers: Robots in Disguise has 2 subpages. What's more though is that several pages are filled with either duplicate entries that are either identical to each other, or list a redirect but also list tropes for that specific work.
- The Transformers More Than Meets The Eye Other Characters for example lists Starscream, Rattrap, Overlord, and Soundwave as redirects.
- Or how half the characters on The Transformers: Till All Are One are already listed on The Transformers: Robots in Disguise, despite literally being the same iterations of the character.
Hasbro IDW Universe:
- The Transformers
- Autobots
- Luna 1
- The Wreckers
- Decepticons
- Decepticon Justice Division
- Cybertron / Colonies
- The Lost Light
- Team Rodimus
- Autobots
- Earth (Would include other properties without pages like the Micronauts and M.A.S.K.)
- Action Man
- G.I. Joe
- Gem and the Holograms
- Others
Edited by RebelFalcon
openDoes this qualify as a stub? (Fall of X) Print Comic
ComicBook.Fall Of X has just been created. It's covering a set of linked works (for Marvel's X-Men comics) which comprise a larger Bat Family Crossover or Crisis Crossover arc.
It's listing the different works and has an intro that talks about the arc as a whole.
It's currently got just two tropes.
So... is it a stub? Or is it exempt from that rule because it's a list of related works as well as a thing in its own right?
openEdit War - ComicBook.RedGoblin Print Comic
Possibly confusion on both sides for this one, but it's turned into an edit war.
- Nonentity Z added a second bullet to Mythology Gag on 16th July.
- I deleted it today, partly because I didn't fully understand the point they were trying to make
- NonentityZ added it back today, with an edit reason saying it was a valid example.
There may be a question to be answered about whether a reference to a Marvel Alternate Universe is really a Continuity Nod or a Mythology Gag (when it's acknowledged as part of continuity and characters can travel to/from it for Bat Family Crossovers, I personally think it's a Continuity Nod), but that shouldn't be an edit reason argument.
Edit: link fix
Edited by Mrph1openAdding tropes to a page for an earlier installment (X-Cellent) Print Comic
Bringing this one back to ATT as we've failed to reach an immediate consensus on forums - and we now have a disagreement on how to proceed until we do have a consensus.
Marvel's 2022 comic book miniseries X-Cellent was followed by / relaunched as 2023's miniseries The X-Cellent (Recycled Titles, especially character/team titles, are pretty standard for Marvel). That second series is still an ongoing work.
Over the last year or two the prevailing approach has been to create a new page (or, at the very least, a soft split) for comic relaunches of this nature, but StrixObscuro made the point that it may be close enough to the original to be handled as a single work, adding that "I see no reason why we should humor Marvel's cynical relaunches" note The 2023 series has the same creators and directly continues the same arc, and Marvel have directly referred to it as both a Sequel Series and "Season Two". It is treated as a different series on their own indexes (e.g. marvel.com and digital comic apps) and doesn't continue the first series' numbering.
As there was no consensus for an immediate merge, the agreement by default became to wait and see how this progresses, then revisit it when the work's complete, or at least less incomplete - e.g. is it going to get a third installment and how will it be handled for collected editions? We can then make a more informed decision to merge or not.
However, we still seem to have a difference of opinion on how we act in the interim - StrixObscuro has added examples for characters and events from the 2023 sequel to the 2022 series's page.
I moved them over to the 2023 page, not realising this had been a deliberate choice, on the basis that until/unless we merge, tropers wouldn't expect to hit spoilers (tagged or otherwise) or plot details for the new series on the previous installment's works page.
StrixObscuro then challenged that, saying that their view is that we should continue to update it with tropes from both series "until consensus finally and definitively decides that the two pages should remain split".
Can we get a steer on this aspect? I think we've dropped into entrenched positions on this one (and the Marvel cleanup thread's been pretty quiet), so I don't think we're going to resolve it ourselves.
For context, the original ATT is here, and the original cleanup thread discussion starts here.
Edited by Mrph1
Characters.Green Arrow Speedy has a 'first appearance' list for the characters, which is fine, but then it goes into every comic they ever appeared in whether they have trope pages or not. Roy's portion is really long; should it and similar parts be trimmed, cut, or left alone?